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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 15 Mar 2017 16:21

Texas senators don't want state funds to be used to build Houston-to-Dallas bullet train

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... ed-to.html

Sen. Charles Schwertner has joined a group of rural lawmakers who are using both legislative and budgetary provisions to stop the progress on the high-speed train.

“This legislation will ensure that the property rights of our constituents are respected and guarantee that state taxpayers won’t be asked to bail out this project when costs inevitably exceed projections and ridership fails to meet expectations,” the Georgetown Republican has said of the rail line this session, citing a Reason Foundation study that projects potential long-term financial losses.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby rantanamo » 15 Mar 2017 18:05

for a state that touts itself as business friendly and innovative, we sure seem to be going out of our way to not be. TCR has done nothing but try to do what they said they would so far. If they don't want this venture to happen, do them a favor and run them off now. Don't get this dance that's going on.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 15 Mar 2017 19:06

what's the saying... cut off your nose to spite your face?

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 16 Mar 2017 11:40

Having to actually see the train will be a daily reminder of the two large metropolitan regions they really don't care for and certainly don't want to help them grow and prosper even more than they already are.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 16 Mar 2017 12:48

This is the same train of thought that politico-freaks out at the price tag of aid when a natural disaster destroys a far off community, then pleads for help when a natural disaster hits home.

Stubbornness will not make the world stand still; when was the last time a pipeline was denied in East Texas --- despite the protests from the political left AND right?

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Cbdallas » 16 Mar 2017 15:24

I wish we could get a much higher turnout of metropolitan voters in Texas at the polls for all elections. The way it is right now the rural voters determine policy that rules the large cities. City people don't vote in enough numbers and Texas has 3 of the largest metro areas on the country.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby The_Overdog » 17 Mar 2017 10:06

when was the last time a pipeline was denied in East Texas

What's funny is that pipelines are used to decrease the use of trucks, which may cause traffic but at least there's a small chance the trucker might stop in town and buy something from the gas station. Look at I40 through New Mexico for what happens when your town is no longer needed by travelers.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby dukemeredith » 21 Mar 2017 08:51

lindseynicole010 wrote:This is easy and simple for natural disaster survivors to spiral down into negative victim status. This was starting to come about to me, as well as whilst on one level I realized it was part of the natural recovery process. Humans are not built to deal with constant, irregular change on an ongoing basis, but in the aftermath of a natural disaster this is what we are faced with. We discover it extremely discomforting.
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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby drummer » 05 Apr 2017 08:01

Here's a link to email your Texas representatives et al regarding the bills being discussed TODAY that could harm or stop the HSR project altogether. Take action and shoot these folks a note.

[url="http://www.texascentral.com/advocate/dont-stop-the-bullet-train/"]http://www.texascentral.com/advocate/dont-stop-the-bullet-train/[/url]

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 06 Apr 2017 12:34

I'd rather have Hyperloop....

https://www.dallasinnovates.com/hyperlo ... -the-case/

Hyperloop in Texas? Dallas-led AECOM Group is Making the Case

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby DPatel304 » 06 Apr 2017 13:08

Maybe it would be worth it to go the Hyperloop route, but who knows when or even if this technology will ever be feasible. It could be decades from now.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 08 Apr 2017 01:35

DPatel304 wrote:Maybe it would be worth it to go the Hyperloop route, but who knows when or even if this technology will ever be feasible. It could be decades from now.

Whether Hyperloop will ever exist will depend upon somebody investing billions of dollars into it, just like High Speed Rail needs investors. the difference between the two is very simple, no one wants to invest into Hyperloop today while there are investors for High Speed Rail - the Texas Central Partners. Texas Central as a company exists today, Texas Hyperloop doesn't exist today.....

Additionally, the FRA, FTA, FAA, or some other government agency is going to have to make regulations for the safe operations of a Hyperloop system - regulations that also don't exist today. It'll take the government years, possibly decades, to develop such regulations - FRA already has rail regulations for safe operations in place today....

Therefore, if you want fast surface transportation to occur soon, the only viable option today is high speed rail.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 10 May 2017 07:54

DFW Core Express

HSR co-op between Fort Worth and Dallas taking a municipal step to fund a $15 million environmental impact study.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local ... 94864.html

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Brettoj » 10 May 2017 08:06

How long do we think it would take with the current trains and how ever many needed double track areas to have an "express service" from Dallas to Ft Worth? And then with more modern trains such as the Stadler KISS double decker?

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 10 May 2017 10:25

The I-35 corridor already has a once a day Amtrak train with poor ridership. Maybe it will perform better with much higher speeds, maybe not? But the existing subsidized Amtrak train service will be competition to a new privately ran high speed rail service. Few private companies like to compete against subsidized public companies.

With all the political difficulties a privately ran railroad is experiencing, do you really believe Texas will ever implement a publicly subsidized intercity rail service?

To add, if Amtrak had its way, both Amtrak trains servicing Texas would be providing services thrice a week or less. The Midwest, Northwest, California, Texas, Florida, or Southeast USA aren't getting much Amtrak money expanding rail services. Amtrak looks for much of the money t come from the States. The only place in the USA where Amtrak is really interested investing in future train ser vices with their own money is along its Northeast Corridor. It's been that way since Amtrak was formed in the 1970s. Almost half of Amtrak's customers originate or terminate their trips from its NEC. Don't rely upon the Feds to finance regional train services in Texas.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 10 May 2017 10:48

electricron wrote:The I-35 corridor already has a once a day Amtrak train with poor ridership. Maybe it will perform better with much higher speeds, maybe not? But the existing subsidized Amtrak train service will be competition to a new privately ran high speed rail service. Few private companies like to compete against subsidized public companies.

With all the political difficulties a privately ran railroad is experiencing, do you really believe Texas will ever implement a publicly subsidized intercity rail service?

To add, if Amtrak had its way, both Amtrak trains servicing Texas would be providing services thrice a week or less. The Midwest, Northwest, California, Texas, Florida, or Southeast USA aren't getting much Amtrak money expanding rail services. Amtrak looks for much of the money t come from the States. The only place in the USA where Amtrak is really interested investing in future train ser vices with their own money is along its Northeast Corridor. It's been that way since Amtrak was formed in the 1970s. Almost half of Amtrak's customers originate or terminate their trips from its NEC. Don't rely upon the Feds to finance regional train services in Texas.


If it takes Amtrak more than 4 hours to go 200 miles between Dallas to Austin, the ride is little more than nostalgic. That's not a functioning, competing mode of transportation, sorry, I want it to work too, but 200 miles should on a modern train should take less than 2 hours.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 10 May 2017 11:25

tamtagon wrote:
electricron wrote:If it takes Amtrak more than 4 hours to go 200 miles between Dallas to Austin, the ride is little more than nostalgic. That's not a functioning, competing mode of transportation, sorry, I want it to work too, but 200 miles should on a modern train should take less than 2 hours.

The rail corridor Amtrak takes between Dallas and Austin isn't modern, the rails and signals may be newer, but the corridor has been in use for over 100 years.
Additionally, there is a 45 minute layover in Ft. Worth because they refuel the locomotives there. As long as Amtrak is required to run trains longer than the locomotives fuel tanks can hold, there will refueling stops.along the way.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tanzoak » 10 May 2017 11:49

electricron wrote:The I-35 corridor already has a once a day Amtrak train with poor ridership. Maybe it will perform better with much higher speeds, maybe not? But the existing subsidized Amtrak train service will be competition to a new privately ran high speed rail service. Few private companies like to compete against subsidized public companies.



Lol, it's a 6.5 hour ride from Dallas to Austin for $29. It's a worthless service, non-competitive on both time and money compared to a bus. HSR, on the other hand, would allow those with a higher value of time to pay extra money to get there faster compared to bus or car, in more comfort and with the ability to work while doing so.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 11 May 2017 15:27

No doubt HSR will be competitive. But no one is proposing building or operating HSR between Austin and DFW - yet. Have you ever asked why Texas Central preferred the Dallas to Houston route first? May one of the reasons it was favored be the lack of direct Amtrak services along that route?

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tanzoak » 11 May 2017 16:46

electricron wrote:Have you ever asked why Texas Central preferred the Dallas to Houston route first? May one of the reasons it was favored be the lack of direct Amtrak services along that route?


It was favored because those are the two of the biggest economic engines in the country, the distance between them is ideal for HSR, and unlike the I-35 corridor, there's not many people living in between them, so building it is cheaper/easier. Fear of competition from a crappy Amtrak service was almost certainly not a consideration.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 11 May 2017 19:30

Possibly?
Here's a study of the top 100 HSR city-pairs by an independent researchers.
http://www.america2050.org/pdf/Where-HSR-Works-Best.pdf
From that link,
"Although one Texas city pair made it into the top ten in the index (Dallas-Houston), the other major connec- tions in the Texas Triangle are further down on the list (Austin-Dallas: 45th; Austin-Houston: 54th; Houston-San Antonio: 56th: Dallas-San Antonio: 70th). These corridors tended to be ranked lower than the city pairs in California (six California city pairs were ranked in the top 25) and the Midwest (with city pairs including Chicago, Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh), which all appeared multiple times in the top 50 pairs. Although these Texas corridors scored well in overall population, length of cor- ridor, and economic activity, the lack of (or limited) existing local and regional transit systems in these cities reduced their overall rankings. City pairs with at least one city with local transit and commuter rail systems tended to populate the top 100 city pairs. Corridors which included two such cities including New York, Washington, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and San Francisco all can be found in the top 10."

So, the real reason why Texas Central is wanting to build and operate the HSR line between Dallas and Houston and not to Austin and San Antonio is on real data based upon research. All the demographics favor it, based upon the 4 main criteria; population, distances, economics, and transit availability.

And let's face facts, Austin and San Antonio don't have great transit systems as compared to Dallas and Houston.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 May 2017 09:31

Texas HSR has said it multiple times a strong handshake with local transit access is critical to their success. I once tried to seriously consider the Austin Amtrak solution so I wouldn't have to have a second car in Austin when I was meeting friends there. Sadly it doesn't make any sense to ride that train unless you are stranded otherwise. If the ride was 4 hours maybe but 6.5 just goes well over the limit to worth the cost to time ratio. Particularly since a large part of the people in Dallas think of the drive as trivial in many ways.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 May 2017 09:49

I'd say Austin has better buses than Dallas..

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 May 2017 11:59

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I'd say Austin has better buses than Dallas..

While valid in some arguments it is limited to that. As far as the Texas HSR is concerned we have buses, light rail, and streetcars all feeding Downtown Dallas. I'm sure we could debate how healthier Austins transit system is compared with DART but studies have also shown that the potential for riders from Dallas to Houston back and fourth is stronger than Austin to Fort Worth. Despite the fact I would love to be able to train to Austin anytime I want to.


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