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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 17 Oct 2018 22:09

I wonder if Birdwell is one of those that just doesn't support Texas Central. I have heard about those that really just want TGV because it IS subsidized and gives the state control over the tracks. With Texas Central they don't get that.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tucy » 18 Oct 2018 11:04

muncien wrote:
Tucy wrote:
muncien wrote:
Yes... Perhaps I should elaborate. My contention isn't with the contents of the bill itself, but more with the motivations behind it. Being that exactly zero people have ever been killed in Texas due to terrorist attacks on trains, 'safety' isn't exactly the bill author's motivation. This bill was submitted by representatives in areas that disagree with this project specifically (because it doesn't benefit them) in order to make life more difficult for those building it. Those who claim to oppose over regulation (I am one of them), cannot on the other hand impose regulation on something simply because they don't agree with it. It is hypocrisy at it's best...

If indeed these folks cared about the safety of Texas's as much as they profess to, they should put more focus on automobile safety. The fact that we as a country are 'okay' with the fact that every year we loose as many people automobile accidents as we did for the entire Korean war, is just maddening. We should be promoting safer alternative modes of transportation, not discouraging them.


How do you know their motivations? And what about the motivations of all of the senators and representatives (including quite a few from areas the rail will benefit)?

The bill passed by wide margins in both the House and Senate (94-29 and 24-6, respectively)


The bill AUTHOR himself couldn't talk about the bill without expressing his obvious opposition to the project in the same sentence...
Senator Brian Birdwell, SB 975 author: “While I maintain my steadfast opposition to the Dallas-to-Houston high-speed rail project―both for the landowners who will be harmed by it in the short term and for the Texas taxpayers who will likely be asked to subsidize it in the long term―I am proud of the legislature for passing my SB 975 to ensure the public safety and security of all those on and around any future high-speed rail line in Texas.”


So he acknowledged he is opposed to the project. That doesn't really tell us his motivation for this particular bill (if his motivation for this bill was to derail the project, he misfired rather seriously). And so what if his motivation was bad? How about we look at what the law says? Isn't that more important than anyone's motivation? It is telling that it passed by such wide margins, including support from many representatives and senators who represent regions that will be served by the rail, including Roberto Alonzo (D), Dallas; Nicole Collier (D), Ft Worth; Helen Giddings (D), Dallas; Eric Johnson(D), Dallas.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 18 Oct 2018 11:51

I think it all boils down to age-old rural versus urban politics, regardless of what the actual law may or may not say. Grimes county politicos thinly veiled their opposition to HSR tracks as an assault on property rights, building arguments that there's no local benefit and only localized damage from a train that only solves issues for the big cities -- piggybacked on the notion that the liberals were trying to take away from the conservatives, an exceptionally easy sell in the world of contemptuous politics. Standard Operating Procedure coming and going.

At the same time in Grimes County, decision makers embraced a tollway's assault on property rights to improve access to Houston -- transportation available, for a price, to everyone in the Grimes County area so they could more easily enjoy the benefits of a big city.

Texas has had plenty of laws put in place only to have them removed in the daylight of reality.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 20 Oct 2018 01:38

tamtagon wrote:Texas has had plenty of laws put in place only to have them removed in the daylight of reality.


Every legislature can rewrite the laws of Texas every two years.
That's true of every democracy. Nothing is set in stone.

Even the US Constitution can be amended as the needs arise, as long as you got a "supermajority" in Congress and in the States Legislatures.

But when discussing transportation issues around this state, it's best to use the existing laws as the foundation of the discussion of what is legally possible.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby tamtagon » 20 Oct 2018 10:44

electricron wrote:...But when discussing transportation issues around this state, it's best to use the existing laws as the foundation of the discussion of what is legally possible.


I cannot disagree, the existing laws certainly determine what can be built today; the discussion of what is possible, however, cannot truly determine what can be built tomorrow without a thorough examination of the legal relevancy.

Look at the laws controlling how freight and passenger train can use the same tracks -- the root cause of some of those laws do not exist anymore because freight and passenger trains are different than they were when the laws were appropriately put in place.

A law that says the state is forbidden from contributing to HSR construction is political maneuvering plain and simple.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby electricron » 21 Oct 2018 01:16

tamtagon wrote:A law that says the state is forbidden from contributing to HSR construction is political maneuvering plain and simple.

Sure it is, but what else do you expect politicians to do but play at politics?

If and when the majority of legislators want TXDOT to invest in HSR, they will change the law.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 23 Oct 2018 15:04

$77B bullet train officials approve central California stretch

https://www.constructiondive.com/news/7 ... ch/540099/

Dive Insight:

Despite optimism on the part of the authority's board members, the bullet train project faces more obstacles than just the time it will take the FRA to issue its final impact statement and record of decision.

First, the project is not fully funded. In fact, the authority reported earlier this year that it is about $40 billion short, and the gap is likely to grow. The authority anticipates that the bullet train's total costs could reach $98 billion.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby WesTexas » 26 Oct 2018 13:18

wow. the Cali bullet train has gotten out of control. This is why it needs to be ran by a private company and investors and not the government. It cant even go high speed when and if finished because all the towns it has to stop in. Train to no where.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 30 Oct 2018 14:39

WesTexas wrote:wow. the Cali bullet train has gotten out of control. This is why it needs to be ran by a private company and investors and not the government. It cant even go high speed when and if finished because all the towns it has to stop in. Train to no where.


That's pretty much the way it will be in Texas but I do think it a bit odd that A&M got a stop and only a part time stop at that. Most trains will run express to Houston.

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Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Postby Tnexster » 30 Oct 2018 14:39

Texas Bullet Train named top North American infrastructure project

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... jects.html


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