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by electricron
16 Jun 2018 01:19
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 692

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

Wow - what a shame we threw that away. Yes, a real shame. Up until 1964, the bus/streetcar system(s) was/were privately owned and operated for a profit. Here's a Wiki page listing all of them; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_transit_companies_in_Dallas Note that the City didn't purchas...
by electricron
15 Jun 2018 01:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 692

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

Heading towards north Dallas, the only streetcar to reach farther north than Mockingbird Lane was on Hillcrest, presumedly to reach SMU. Other lines heading further north towards Denton and Sherman were interurban lines, not streetcar lines. Here's a link to an old Dallas streetcar map dated 1925. h...
by electricron
14 Jun 2018 01:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 692

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

You can still see where the old Dallas streetcars turned around even though any signs of the old tracks are long gone. Few, if any, streetcars reached as far out as Loop 12, for several reasons. That's where the city limits reached, and that was also the limit where streetcars provided a great servi...
by electricron
24 May 2018 13:50
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 164
Views: 17019

Re: DART D2 Subway

It makes complete sense to cut out the additional traffic conflicts (since trains would be heading north and south from the portal), however I've got to wonder how much realigning the tracks along Good-Latimer is contributing to the project cost, and why the original Green line design had the Deep ...
by electricron
22 May 2018 10:10
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 164
Views: 17019

Re: DART D2 Subway

Building on some earlier comments, couldn't DART address their "congestion" issues quite easily and for probably at least $1.3 Billion less money by sending only some of each lines trains through the transit mall and turning others back to provide more service on each end of each line? As...
by electricron
19 May 2018 01:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 164
Views: 17019

Re: DART D2 Subway

Rail ridership through low-density suburbs in North Dallas (which would also require a transfer to get to the primary destination) has a very high likelihood of being overestimated. How may ridership estimations has DARt made in the past, and how many of them actually overestimated ridership signif...
by electricron
18 May 2018 08:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

That's absolutely true but I would imagine that hurdle could be overcome (if there were any political will for it) with a cooperative agreement between DART and DCTA for trains between Dallas and Denton, similar to how the Trinity Railway Express operates between Dallas and Fort Worth and is funded...
by electricron
18 May 2018 08:06
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 164
Views: 17019

Re: DART D2 Subway

Arguments based upon getting federal funds, and by what percentages, is slightly jumping the gun because neither project is guaranteed matching federal transit funding or low cost federal loans. And projects can change to get them, like the Green Line Love Field subway station being dropped during t...
by electricron
07 May 2018 01:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

A routing through Irving could physically be done, but not politically. Downtown Dallas is just too far into Dallas County for a transit agency based upon taxes from Denton County to support. Likewise, it's just as unlikely politically for DART to extend the Green Line into downtown Denton. I can se...
by electricron
03 May 2018 02:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Whether ridership is high or low, it gives far more people more options than they have now. From central Dallas, you can ride the trains in many directions: SW, S, SE, NE, N, NNW, and WNW. Outside of let's say Loop 12 to keep it simple, you can only rdie the trains in one direction - toward central ...
by electricron
30 Apr 2018 08:39
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I have a feeling that it's easier to drop stations after the initial Environmental Impact Report, than to not have them on there, and try to include them afterward. That is probably why we always see more initially, and they get deferred later. But most of these stations are marked as 'deferred' in...
by electricron
22 Apr 2018 09:06
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

It's an EIS, every possible construction item that might be built within the next 20 years is included. Not everyone of them will be built at startup. The idea that there will be train stations built spaced just one mile apart is very unlikely. One will most likely be set aside to be built later and...
by electricron
13 Apr 2018 06:56
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

I thought I'll show you what is really required to have an express train service. Here's mostly a rear window 40 minute video from White Plains to Grand Central in New York City. The cameraman moves to the back of the train around 7 and a half minutes. Pay close attention to the number of tracks, an...
by electricron
09 Apr 2018 23:53
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Is it too much to hope that enthusiastic partnerships will extend TRE to Kaufman County, using that subway plan? DART is not going to extend the TRE into Kaufman County anytime soon. First, no city in Kaufman County pays DART sales taxes. Second, even if the entire county paid DART a full penny sal...
by electricron
31 Mar 2018 19:10
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Presumably via the BNSF line from Irving to Carrollton. Would be quite out of the way though, not to mention having to deal with freight trains. I wonder why Carrollton is so opposed to the site that was proposed as the Cotton Belt yard facility. While the BNSF may be the major user of this section...
by electricron
31 Mar 2018 03:03
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

With frequencies of 8 trains per hour on the red/orange line in north Dallas, there should be a train every 7. 5 minutes. Without additional passing sidings, a third track, the most savings in time an express train can make is at most 4 minutes - depending upon the size of the signal blocks. When tr...
by electricron
29 Mar 2018 08:03
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Well, I guess it's good we don't have express trains then..haha. I had not considered how unfair it would be to certain paying cities of DART, and also how it would encourage even more sprawl up north, so, with that said, I'm thinking this isn't my best idea. I think, even with all the points outli...
by electricron
10 Mar 2018 01:26
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Autonomous Vehicle Thread
Replies: 58
Views: 5634

Re: Autonomous Vehicle Thread

I don't think it negates your idea... If the trucks are automated as well, they simply take up TWO of the new smaller lanes (at least for interstate travel), and all the autonomous vehicles can still fill in around them. You can still have smaller local delivery vehicles. How annoying is it to see ...
by electricron
10 Mar 2018 01:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Autonomous Vehicle Thread
Replies: 58
Views: 5634

Re: Autonomous Vehicle Thread

I don't think it negates your idea... If the trucks are automated as well, they simply take up TWO of the new smaller lanes (at least for interstate travel), and all the autonomous vehicles can still fill in around them. You can still have smaller local delivery vehicles. How annoying is it to see ...
by electricron
09 Mar 2018 02:10
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Autonomous Vehicle Thread
Replies: 58
Views: 5634

Re: Autonomous Vehicle Thread

Lanes are wide more so because semi-trucks and their trailers are wide. A typical large sedan is 6 feet 3 inches wide, a typical large SUV is 6 feet 8 inches wide, a typical 18 wheeler trailer is 8 feet 6 inches wide. A typical city street width can be as little as 10 feet wide, leaving 18 inches le...
by electricron
07 Mar 2018 08:53
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Can we get this thread back on the trains instead of hotels? Potentially 100,000 DART passengers ride through Union Station, how many of them use the Hyatt Regency Hotel? It's completely unrelated! Especially considering amongst the reasons why Texas Central uses in its social media is a day trip be...
by electricron
01 Mar 2018 20:33
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Trinity Metro (FWTA 'The T')
Replies: 3
Views: 508

Re: Trinity Metro (formerly The T)

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/traffic/your-commute/article202845654.html Fort Worth's transit has changed names, and has a new logo also. Spokespeople for the transit system try (in vain?) to explain the reason for the logo and the name change. The explanation for why the name change is easy, t...
by electricron
28 Feb 2018 00:04
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 100
Views: 11845

Re: DART: Expansion

I'm confused...I was under the impression DART wanted to do both D2 and Cotton Belt simultaneously, but Dallas put its foot down and said "NO, D2 is the priority" and won the vote in the DART board inasmuch, then the suburbs got pissy and threatened to leave DART. So now why are we talkin...
by electricron
24 Feb 2018 17:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Once daily and monthly passes were implemented, making it just as cheap to ride the trains all day long as two trips, once for the morning commute and another for the evening commute, they invited homesteaders or squatters to move in. To eliminate this they will have to rethink how they collect fare...
by electricron
21 Feb 2018 08:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Why would anyone ride a train from Houston to Dallas and then stay in a hotel at the train station? I've ridden a train from Fort Worth to Chicago, spent a night in a hotel near the train station, and rode another train to Seattle the next day. I can see the possibilities of people riding the train...
by electricron
18 Feb 2018 12:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 100
Views: 11845

Re: DART: Expansion

I've always thought the idea of a 'wheel' transit line, that connects all the lines further out from the hub, is a good one. But to me, I think BRT along the Loop 12 corridor is a better approach than 635. The whole idea of serving Galleria area is a difficult one... No doubt it has the density and...
by electricron
13 Feb 2018 18:41
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 100
Views: 11845

Re: DART: Expansion

DART to date has avoided routing light rail lines down the middle of expressways, preferring to route light rail lines down one side or under. Any light rail line near LBJ will probably be very expensive and routed under it, just like DART subway under US-75. Building a subway a couple of miles lon...
by electricron
10 Feb 2018 20:45
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Recent speech by Tim McKay at SW Rail Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mx_6YQF5G4
by electricron
10 Feb 2018 20:45
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 100
Views: 11845

Re: DART: Expansion

Recent speech by Tim McKay at SW Rail Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mx_6YQF5G4
by electricron
10 Feb 2018 20:43
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Recent speech by Tim Keith at SW Rail Conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLuOMhFgV9o
by electricron
10 Feb 2018 20:29
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Come on guys and gals, if you're going to taking public transit to get to Houston you better be willing to walk a little bit. The only way I'm aware of that gives you front door to front door walkability for distances so large is with a private automobile or motorcycle. There's a very good chance th...
by electricron
10 Feb 2018 20:21
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 100
Views: 11845

Re: DART: Expansion

Tier 1 look promising, somewhat. Once D2 is finished, another light rail line west to Oak Cliff makes sense.:) The LBJ line makes sense between I-35E and US-75, but that's not where they are proposing to build it. It only needs to tie the Green Line with the Red Line, or at most to the Blue Line. Th...
by electricron
06 Feb 2018 12:08
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

They have drawings of all three stations posted under the Blog tab of their web site. https://www.texascentral.com/blog/ The general design, platform areas, and train tracks of all three stations are very similar. The main differences between them is where the parking garages are located and how the...
by electricron
31 Jan 2018 03:21
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

What? Are we looking at the same site plan? It looks pretty damn convenient to both Convention Center and Cedars stations to me... The only problem is that Houston is dropping the ball on their end. Three blocks at a typical 300 feet per block, is 900 feet. Add another block or two from the train's...
by electricron
30 Jan 2018 00:15
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

My thoughts exactly. This station is supposed to be a huge catalyst for development, and, while that will still be true, it's absurd that so much space is being taken up by an above ground parking garage. This should be more of an urban mall with an attached high-rise. Look at the new Miami Central...
by electricron
26 Dec 2017 03:04
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I wouldn't go as far as to state projections on new ridership are suspicious - they were made using a calculation approved by the FTA and FRA. What's missing in the various arguments are that both D2 and the Cotton Belt have similar numbers in the projections - around 10,000 new riders per day (or ...
by electricron
25 Dec 2017 01:53
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I wouldn't go as far as to state projections on new ridership are suspicious - they were made using a calculation approved by the FTA and FRA. What's missing in the various arguments are that both D2 and the Cotton Belt have similar numbers in the projections - around 10,000 new riders per day (or s...
by electricron
21 Dec 2017 01:05
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Should have chosen Union Station for the Dallas terminal. Obvious, obvious, obvious. Where would they place the dedicated HSR tracks at Union Station? The latest NCTCOG funded DEIS for the Fort Worth HSR station places it 30 feet above the existing ITC station platforms, in a location with far more...
by electricron
14 Dec 2017 01:40
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

dukemeredith wrote:Are these numbers individual people?!

Those green line numbers are appallingly low.

Read the morning news article linked, it should answer all your questions. :)
I didn't invent them out of thin air!
by electricron
13 Dec 2017 17:56
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 151
Views: 16352

Re: the Cotton Belt line

The traffic counts for this useless line for 2040, not when built. 20 years from now: DFW: 1170 North DFW: 1320 Cypress W: 910 Downtown Carrollton: 1970 Addison: 1690 Knoll Trail: 530 Preston: 400 Coit: 760 UT Dallas: 850 CityLine: 1380 12th Street: 370 Shiloh: 680 I'm sure Plano is going to drop D...
by electricron
12 Dec 2017 00:50
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Ellis County commuter rail has been pushed by the NCTCOG and RTC for years. but lets get a little realistic with the lack of population within Ellis County and it's ability to financially support a commuter rail line.... Various nearby County population data: *Dallas County 2,574,984 *Tarrant County...
by electricron
10 Dec 2017 09:03
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 245
Views: 31724

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

It was an interesting presentation and study to read. It basically looked at improving three things; (1)drivability to the site including parking,(2) walkability to the site including aerial structures, (3) gettiing transit to the site. (1) and (2) was mostly accomplished by reinstating a street gri...
by electricron
16 Nov 2017 18:07
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 70
Views: 11557

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Here’s their names with links to their photos. The Crescent Rose or Rosie (Car 122) http://mata.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Uptown_Sept16_960-674.jpg The Green Dragon (Car 186) http://www.uptowndallas.net/assets/UDI-4106-1680x860-Trolley.jpg Matilda (Car 369) http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1...
by electricron
09 Nov 2017 14:51
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 4346

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

Who is using the Virgin America gates today? Can’t Delta negotiate with them and leave Southwest alone? Additionally, it was Dallas that pushed for the 20 gate limit, there will never be more than 20 gates at Love Field if Dallas never builds more. Almighty god can grant Love Field permission and ca...
by electricron
06 Nov 2017 02:58
Forum: Texas Town + City Issues/News
Topic: Sutherland woes
Replies: 0
Views: 434

Sutherland woes

Praying for all the families affected apparently by a lone shooter. 2nd Amendment.... Today's Sutherland church shooting is going to bring it up again, at least at the State level if not nationally. Sutherland lies within a community that has a post office, a Dollar General store, two gas stations, ...
by electricron
06 Nov 2017 01:51
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 70
Views: 11557

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Right now they're using the money to support the Knox Complete Streets project. The MATA extension would be the next logical project (assuming they re-up the district this year). The PID gets $300k a year for a quite small area. A fair estimate of costs based on twice the MATA extension in downtown...
by electricron
28 Oct 2017 12:34
Forum: City Issues/News
Topic: Fair Park
Replies: 36
Views: 6698

Re: Fair Park

Has anyone considered moving the Farmers Market to Fair Park ? It's grown smaller and the area around it filling with high end residential. Eventually the land will be too expensive for the Market and it would give Fair Park year round activity.....on the DART line as well. Great idea! They will be...
by electricron
27 Oct 2017 20:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Gating up the stations could also make for better security while waiting for the train. Anyone have a guest what it would cost to create secured entry to the stations with ticket or phone app entry from outside like other cities. It’ll cost a lot more than what they will earn with increase fares. A...
by electricron
24 Oct 2017 08:08
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Commercial property developers don’t necessarily want residential tenants. Market Center is set up for conventions and merchandizing shows. Which can be too noisy for residents attempting to rest and sleep. Different zonmg requires different ambient noise levels, different lighting levels, etc. One ...
by electricron
23 Oct 2017 15:29
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 137
Views: 15097

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

I used DART again to go the fair this weekend and was a great experience overall. The one thing that I think of when riding DART are the stations that could be surrounded by so much more living and density. Market Center is one I would like to see them develop all the way from the Infomart down to ...

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