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by electricron
03 Dec 2018 07:44
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 64
Views: 10272

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

gawh The only reasonable answer to this deal is another 20 gates, 12 domestic and 8 international. DFW can at least add another terminal and encourage the development of a dual hub, Love Field can double and add international, and Meacham Field in Fort Worth can get going again --- the regional gro...
by electricron
24 Nov 2018 21:54
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Collin County Transportation
Replies: 58
Views: 11200

Re: Collin County Transportation

OMG, duh We couldn't possibly collect taxes to pay for what is necessary, could we? It's great that Texans have a very low overall tax burden, but truth be told, it's too low. Top notch infrastructure and public education are requirements for indefinite economic and quality of life growth. State le...
by electricron
22 Nov 2018 00:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)
Replies: 9
Views: 923

Re: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)

IMO... The whole "1/4 mile" threshold needs to be reconsidered. DART tries to get service to as many people in the service area based on being within 1/4 mile of a bus stop. Because of how spread out many areas of the service are is, you end up thinning out your service to provide 'more' ...
by electricron
19 Nov 2018 08:09
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Star Transit
Replies: 2
Views: 242

Re: Star Transit

One size doesn't fit everywhere, and the multitudes of transit agencies in and around DFW metroplex prove it. Each has its own revenues sources from different taxes, different allocations, and different rates. Each does its' very best to maximize the services provided while retaining a balanced budg...
by electricron
01 Nov 2018 15:18
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)
Replies: 9
Views: 923

Re: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)

Despite Mass Transit Push, Ridership Continues to Lag The amount of people using DCTA trains and buses is lower by 17%. A new CEO is in place as of recent weeks. He wants to find solutions, which may end up including lower fares. https://www.dcta.net/ https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Despite-Mass-...
by electricron
28 Oct 2018 02:59
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Too many NIMBYs in the "rich" area would never allow such an extension. On another hand, the Katy Trail should be re-purposed as a commuter rail route that could serve the neighborhoods. I believe there's a federal clause that says rails to trails can always be returned to rail service if...
by electricron
24 Oct 2018 20:14
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Why do anti-transit people not realized that an EFFECTIVE public transit system will benefit them in their Tahoes and Suburbans too? It seems like Dallas will keep adding people, but there will be a breaking point on how many personal automobiles the city can add. Do you want total gridlock? Anothe...
by electricron
24 Oct 2018 09:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are the advantages of heavy rail over light rail? I'm trying to remember how the PR campaign 'illuminated' the light rail advantages back in the day, but that dose of advertising slips my mind. Something along the lines of quieter, more reliable and zippier sta...
by electricron
21 Oct 2018 01:16
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 316
Views: 52391

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

tamtagon wrote:A law that says the state is forbidden from contributing to HSR construction is political maneuvering plain and simple.

Sure it is, but what else do you expect politicians to do but play at politics?

If and when the majority of legislators want TXDOT to invest in HSR, they will change the law.
by electricron
20 Oct 2018 01:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 316
Views: 52391

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Texas has had plenty of laws put in place only to have them removed in the daylight of reality. Every legislature can rewrite the laws of Texas every two years. That's true of every democracy. Nothing is set in stone. Even the US Constitution can be amended as the needs arise, as long as you got a ...
by electricron
13 Oct 2018 02:22
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 316
Views: 52391

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

While the state has studied expanding intercity passenger rail service in Texas, it has yet to commit any funding for them. In fact, in just the last session the Texas Legislature passed laws prohibiting TXDOT funding HSR. Per https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Texas-lawmakers-didn-t-sto...
by electricron
12 Oct 2018 12:00
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 316
Views: 52391

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

It's hard for me to think about the Dallas to Houston trains without including the rest of the triangle, so.... I'm okay with a state funding contribution to get San Antonio and Austin hooked-up. Neither probably has the traffic potential yet, and are too far apart (distance and existence) for a co...
by electricron
12 Oct 2018 08:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 42
Views: 8626

Re: TexRail

While I am really happy that DFW is now connected to both cities, still a little bummed they couldn't figure out the engineering needed to make the trains pull in through the same station. We need to make public transport more convenient. Even if they pulled into the same station, they could not sh...
by electricron
03 Oct 2018 09:07
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 28
Views: 4971

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

10 years is also a long time where we could have had a better rail system serving Love Field directly. Again, the tunnel to the airport would not have increased the total amount of federal dollars that were already awarded to the Green Line project. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. The local...
by electricron
01 Oct 2018 21:55
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 28
Views: 4971

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

As you can probably tell I'm still not over this :P It just seems so shortsighted and even cruel to deny the city such a key connection, especially when they raised the funds and didn't ask for more federal money. One can only wonder if the same result would've occurred under another administration...
by electricron
28 Sep 2018 20:18
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 28
Views: 4971

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

I agree, that would be ideal, but I think it would be over double the length of the "spur" idea and prohibitively expensive. With the spur, it's about the same amount of digging as a people mover but of course would likely cost more to lay rail than lay a moving sidewalk. However, the cos...
by electricron
28 Sep 2018 09:25
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 28
Views: 4971

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

I think in that case it would make more sense to just reroute both the orange and green lines through Love Field to a subway station underneath the terminal as was originally envisioned, before returning to the surface and connecting to the current Burbank and Inwood stations at the northern and so...
by electricron
26 Sep 2018 15:01
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 28
Views: 4971

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

Idea dump..... if they are exploring digging underground for a people mover to connect the terminal to the DART Orange Line..... why not just create it as a single track "spur" off of the Orange Line where a train spurs off from somewhere to the orange line underground to the terminal, dr...
by electricron
14 Sep 2018 12:26
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 189
Views: 28974

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I really wish the stretch of Addison along Belt Line rd were more walkable. Addison is kinda the 'anti-urban' suburb. It seems that they are built around the automobile and have little interest in getting away from that. I know some may say that its because they don't have rail, but I don't buy tha...
by electricron
05 Sep 2018 21:45
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 189
Views: 28974

Re: the Cotton Belt line

What a terrible thing to suggest, having more victims to prey upon doesn’t increase crime. Having more greedy criminals is the major reason for increasing crime rates, imho.
by electricron
04 Sep 2018 11:41
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Lakewood-White Rock: Garland Rd./Grand/Gaston intersection
Replies: 16
Views: 1389

Re: Lakewood-White Rock: Garland Rd./Grand/Gaston intersection

It wasn’t until 1961 with the opening of Thorton Freeway (I-30) before US-67 and interstate trucking traffic left Gaston. Can you imagine all those semi trucks using Stemmons to get through Dallas today on Gaston instead? That’s where they were before 1961. That would be like US 75 traffic still ha...
by electricron
03 Sep 2018 13:18
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Lakewood-White Rock: Garland Rd./Grand/Gaston intersection
Replies: 16
Views: 1389

Re: Lakewood-White Rock: Garland Rd./Grand/Gaston intersection

It wasn’t until 1961 with the opening of Thorton Freeway (I-30) before US-67 and interstate trucking traffic left Gaston. Can you imagine all those semi trucks using Stemmons to get through Dallas today on Gaston instead? That’s where they were before 1961. The Bankhead Highway was also routed over ...
by electricron
02 Sep 2018 16:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 189
Views: 28974

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Why did the residents not want the stations? Were they scared people would ride it, break into their homes and steal their TVs? Probably a combo-meal of that, and also that neighborhood thinks there is a loud-noise factor with the train operation as well. Maybe both suggestions are correct somewhat...
by electricron
01 Sep 2018 12:04
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 189
Views: 28974

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Both Preston and Coit stations have been “deferred”, sort of a mix between delayed and cancelled. Which means DART has no intentions to build these stations anytime soon, but like Lake Highlands they could be built later without much ado because the EIS has already been performed on them. So the onl...
by electricron
28 Aug 2018 14:35
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Greenville Avenue isn’t that far away from North Central Expressway by car, but it is by foot. Dallas as it exists today is built around the car. I would suggest even a light rail station located over Greenville Avenue wouldn’t serve all of the possible destinations on it. To service it effectively,...
by electricron
28 Aug 2018 11:03
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Streetcars haven't been built in Dallas to serve commuters as much as to serve developers - improving real estate values. Some will suggest DART built the light rail lines in the wrong places, but not from me. Every single line parallels a heavily used freeway, at least in part, although the distanc...
by electricron
25 Aug 2018 19:35
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 64
Views: 10272

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

Tunneling a moving sidewalk from the terminal to the train station and SW HQ would be the quickest route, but I still prefer an elevated people mover. Elevated with big windows so people get a good look at the Dallas Skyline, whooped around the runway with a Mockingbird @ Denton Drive so that retai...
by electricron
25 Aug 2018 11:57
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Can anyone build 40 miles of streetcar lines for just $1 Billion? You would have to average $25 Million per mile to do so, including the costs associated with buying the streetcar vehicles themselves and building an entirely new maintenance facility or expanding DART’s existing light rail maintenanc...
by electricron
24 Aug 2018 11:32
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: Trinity River Park
Replies: 183
Views: 25401

Re: Trinity River Park

They wouldnt even have to get rid of those massive embankments but instead simply plant tons of trees on those to make them more appealing and only rework the ones close to access points to the "lake" or near prime real estate areas. That is the option that should be pursued. Wow, if they...
by electricron
22 Aug 2018 19:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

You’re not going to be able to eliminate all street traffic off Bryan. To the north you have the over $100 million Plaza of the America’s complex with two 25 story and a third 26 story towers, with a historic 13 story atrium. To the south you have the “historic” Dallas High School now being used by ...
by electricron
21 Aug 2018 18:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Yes, it could be done - but DART would have to add crossovers and pocket track near or at the stations they would turn around at. There are already Orange Line trains that only run up the Red Line to LBJ Central station and stop, and come back through downtown as 'Out of Service'. Operationally, it...
by electricron
17 Aug 2018 20:52
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 64
Views: 10272

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

Is there any evidence that adding a people mover is going to increase usage? I'm not even talking about increasing it enough to justify the cost -- that's beyond pie-in-the-sky. Let's be realistic: how many people are there really who don't rider DART to Love Field now that would start just because...
by electricron
16 Aug 2018 23:11
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 64
Views: 10272

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

A good public transport link would reduce the amount of Uber/Lyft cars going in and out of the airport. Just saying!!! Which is why building the people mover system to Burbank and SW Headquarters makes sense. SW employees can either park out there or ride DART and then take the people mover to the ...
by electricron
15 Aug 2018 07:59
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 64
Views: 10272

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

A good public transport link would reduce the amount of Uber/Lyft cars going in and out of the airport. Just saying!!! Which is why building the people mover system to Burbank and SW Headquarters makes sense. SW employees can either park out there or ride DART and then take the people mover to the ...
by electricron
15 Aug 2018 07:39
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 198
Views: 28943

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

It's been almost a month now, has anyone been able to get their tap card to work?
I dislike threads that leave things or issues like this unfinished. ;)
by electricron
30 Jul 2018 19:33
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: Trinity River Park
Replies: 183
Views: 25401

Re: Trinity River Park

What works elsewhere will probably not work in Dallas. While I think it is great to look around the world and see what other cities have done with floodways, Dallas should decide for itself what it wants. What works best in Dallas, usually what has one or more champions proposing, running, and willi...
by electricron
27 Jul 2018 18:00
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 198
Views: 28943

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

When MARTA built its mostly subway lines there was no, or at least less federal requirements to spend as much on art as DART had to meet to qualify for federal funding. DART rarely spent more than the minimum required by the federal government, which is why it was done but done as cheap as possible....
by electricron
02 Jul 2018 21:21
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Just got this link to an update on DART projects today Buried in the description for the D2 subway is this: Although DART did not receive funding from the FTA, DART is currently reviewing potential funding sources to keep development of the D2 Subway on track. http://dartdallas.dart.org/2018/06/29/...
by electricron
27 Jun 2018 02:47
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: 2045 Mobility Plan
Replies: 15
Views: 1284

Re: 2045 Mobility Plan

The tiny percentage of transit funding dollars devoted to building public transit systems is criminal but I'm not surprised considering our current state leadership. What a disservice to the public. Dallas is ever densifying in the urban core neighborhoods. Traffic is already getting to the point o...
by electricron
26 Jun 2018 17:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 198
Views: 28943

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

There are better, more impactful ways to spend $1.2 Billion besides a "look at us, we're a big city" subway for Dallas's insecure city council and DART board members... As long as city councils appoint DART board members, and as long as insecure citizens vote for city council members, loc...
by electricron
26 Jun 2018 02:57
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 198
Views: 28943

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Between this and Matt777's proposed streetcar plan, I think DART could manage both for less than the additional costs of a fully underground D2. There's even enough left over for the DART board to take a field trip to Portland or Denver to see how street-level LRT can work. The DART board wouldn't ...
by electricron
24 Jun 2018 07:34
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 42
Views: 8626

Re: TexRail

Colleyville is likely acting like Corinth did about the DCTA A-Train and Knox-Henderson about the DART light rail subway section. They'll figure out later on (probably too late) that it'll be an asset, not a liability. You're probably correct, a decade or two from now they will probably wish they h...
by electricron
16 Jun 2018 01:19
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 2886

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

Wow - what a shame we threw that away. Yes, a real shame. Up until 1964, the bus/streetcar system(s) was/were privately owned and operated for a profit. Here's a Wiki page listing all of them; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_transit_companies_in_Dallas Note that the City didn't purchas...
by electricron
15 Jun 2018 01:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 2886

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

Heading towards north Dallas, the only streetcar to reach farther north than Mockingbird Lane was on Hillcrest, presumedly to reach SMU. Other lines heading further north towards Denton and Sherman were interurban lines, not streetcar lines. Here's a link to an old Dallas streetcar map dated 1925. h...
by electricron
14 Jun 2018 01:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 2886

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

You can still see where the old Dallas streetcars turned around even though any signs of the old tracks are long gone. Few, if any, streetcars reached as far out as Loop 12, for several reasons. That's where the city limits reached, and that was also the limit where streetcars provided a great servi...
by electricron
24 May 2018 13:50
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

It makes complete sense to cut out the additional traffic conflicts (since trains would be heading north and south from the portal), however I've got to wonder how much realigning the tracks along Good-Latimer is contributing to the project cost, and why the original Green line design had the Deep ...
by electricron
22 May 2018 10:10
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Building on some earlier comments, couldn't DART address their "congestion" issues quite easily and for probably at least $1.3 Billion less money by sending only some of each lines trains through the transit mall and turning others back to provide more service on each end of each line? As...
by electricron
19 May 2018 01:12
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Rail ridership through low-density suburbs in North Dallas (which would also require a transfer to get to the primary destination) has a very high likelihood of being overestimated. How may ridership estimations has DARt made in the past, and how many of them actually overestimated ridership signif...
by electricron
18 May 2018 08:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 189
Views: 28974

Re: the Cotton Belt line

That's absolutely true but I would imagine that hurdle could be overcome (if there were any political will for it) with a cooperative agreement between DART and DCTA for trains between Dallas and Denton, similar to how the Trinity Railway Express operates between Dallas and Fort Worth and is funded...
by electricron
18 May 2018 08:06
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 249
Views: 33501

Re: DART D2 Subway

Arguments based upon getting federal funds, and by what percentages, is slightly jumping the gun because neither project is guaranteed matching federal transit funding or low cost federal loans. And projects can change to get them, like the Green Line Love Field subway station being dropped during t...

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