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by electricron
28 Mar 2020 01:48
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

DART does not invest money. DART spends money. Nothing it does has any expectation of achieving a profit. Example: DART is currently paying $30 million per year in interest on money it has borrowed for the silver line, which their own projections say will only generate $3 million per year in fares....
by electricron
11 Mar 2020 00:02
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

There's no ramp for the existing elevated Green Line platform though - the required ADA redundancy is provided by having two elevators (three if you count the one at the south end of the ped walkway over Belt Line). What is special about the Silver line that it needs a ramp connection in addition t...
by electricron
10 Mar 2020 09:07
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

The latest Silver Line briefing has some interesting nuggets on the design of the Downtown Carrolton station and how it will interchange with both the existing Green Line, as well as potential A-Train and "Frisco Line" commuter rail extensions... https://dart.org/about/board/boardagendas/...
by electricron
09 Mar 2020 08:05
Forum: Texas Transportation + Infrastructure
Topic: Austin Metro Proposes Massive Transit System
Replies: 3
Views: 1154

Re: Austin Metro Proposes Massive Transit System

Austin Metro has released a nearly $10 billion transit plan to include new Rapidbus routes and a subway through downtown. It is likely to be put to a vote in November. https://www.statesman.com/news/20200306/cap-metro-recommends-downtown-subway-system-in-multibillion-dollar-light-rail-system?utm_so...
by electricron
29 Feb 2020 01:31
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 409
Views: 155338

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

By the time it's open, the two population centers will have grown by a combined one million residents. by the time the train is up and running, it will be time to double the service. Is there any hope the I-35 redo through Austin will give some room for HSR? There is not room for express-managed-ho...
by electricron
10 Feb 2020 12:30
Forum: Opolis Blueprints
Topic: I-345
Replies: 4
Views: 2478

Re: I-345

Probably some on this forum have seen the area around Sears Tower where the city streets are all overpasses above ground level, with the buildings' underground service levels actually built in the open air at ground level. The development of Illinois Center, Lakeshore East and Millennium Park over ...
by electricron
29 Jan 2020 09:03
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: It’s time to close Dallas’ Triple Underpass and build a memorial park
Replies: 9
Views: 1794

Re: It’s time to close Dallas’ Triple Underpass and build a memorial park

How about we just start by taking the "x" off the road where JFK was shot? That has always seemed to me like a pretty tactless tribute to a horrible event. A fools errand. Neither the city nor any museum paints those "x"s on the Elm Street. Vendors or hawkers do. As soon as the ...
by electricron
29 Jan 2020 00:35
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: It’s time to close Dallas’ Triple Underpass and build a memorial park
Replies: 9
Views: 1794

Re: It’s time to close Dallas’ Triple Underpass and build a memorial park

Who owns the Dallas Morning News today? Some history per Wiki "Dealey Plaza was built on land donated by early Dallas philanthropist and businesswoman Sarah Horton Cockrell. It was the location of the first home built in Dallas, which also became the first courthouse and post office, the first ...
by electricron
25 Jan 2020 23:43
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

Not to mention the fact that, aside from the TODs that have been purposely built up around existing stations, the existing DART lines don't pass many neighborhoods that would be conducive to transit anyway. For example, the only exception I can think of on the Red Line, within the city proper, is K...
by electricron
18 Jan 2020 02:10
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 345
Views: 113972

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

The only possible usage of space over the DNT that I see would be some future HSR (or hyperloop) extension to the North. Obviously, that wouldn't be for the next 30 years or more... But when considering a Northern route out of the city, it kinda makes sense. I would assume such a system would have ...
by electricron
16 Jan 2020 23:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 345
Views: 113972

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

The North Texas Tollway south of LBJ follows the route the Cotton Belt used to get to Union Station in Dallas. The ONCOR transmission line was built within the railroad right-of-way. When the Tollway replaced the railroad tracks, ONCOR rebuilt the transmission line using taller metal poles replacing...
by electricron
16 Jan 2020 01:29
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

Thank you Overdog for helping answer my question. I figured the arrangement at Cityline/Bush would be pretty much like this.Screenshot_20200115-134414_Drive.jpg 12th Street looks a little different than I would imagine. Looks like they won't have a combined Silver and Red/Orange station there. Hard...
by electricron
13 Jan 2020 22:47
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

I assume you worked on the engineering design aspect, not the transit planning aspect, but do you know any specific reasons that station was added to the plans in the first place? Transferring at Bush instead of 12th Street would only add something like five or 10 minutes to a Parker-Shiloh trip, a...
by electricron
11 Jan 2020 21:40
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

Technologically, it isn't a bad idea for the company that built the trains be the one to provide maintenance. And I wouldn't call it experimental like the streetcar; the FLIRT and the smaller but similar GTW (what the A-Train uses) are used all over Europe, over 1500 trainsets sold in total. Number...
by electricron
02 Jan 2020 09:04
Forum: City Issues/News
Topic: Fair Park
Replies: 103
Views: 37917

Re: Fair Park

I apparently missed the news that the First Responder Bowl moved out of the Cotton Bowl Stadium, after the City just last year agreed to large subsidies to keep the game at the Cotton Bowl. (It's being played at the Geral J Ford Stadium on SMU's campus this year. At least the 9 or 10,000 people won...
by electricron
27 Dec 2019 08:20
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

DART is Light Rail and while I generally support a below-grade option I prefer it with the right tech and DART isn't ready to change its operation around different technology yet. The one thing I constantly explain to transplants is why DART isn't like some of the bigger city transits they are used...
by electricron
26 Dec 2019 07:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

Only 3 underground stations?? What's even the point Is there a must have need for more? Have you priced the costs to build and maintain a subway station? Since the very first alternate proposals with the EIS planning process, the subway build has always had fewer stations than a surface build. Yet,...
by electricron
22 Dec 2019 08:42
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Most Exciting Projects of 2020
Replies: 39
Views: 5070

Re: Most Exciting Projects of 2020

If Texas Central breaks ground next year, I would place it very high on future impacts to the Dallas economy for decades to come. But I'll readily admit, it will not be open for business in 2020.
by electricron
19 Dec 2019 22:51
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 290
Views: 74584

Re: I-345

The word tunnel doesn't appear anywhere in the article nor in the TxDOT meeting powerpoint. Hopefully going forward they will mention it. Or I figure they will just keep throwing bad options at us until we get tired and give up TXDOT has not built a single tunnel ever! All tunnels within the state ...
by electricron
09 Dec 2019 12:42
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

Interesting tidbit from the latest DART board presentation on D2. The plan for light rail lines downtown from 1988...... It had to take you time to find such an old map, thanks of the effort. But it is a planner's map before those little and large pesky details get in the way. There were probably o...
by electricron
09 Dec 2019 12:16
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

October numbers are now available. They are now up 27% over the first full month of regular service: February 2019 ridership: 32,998 March 2019: 39,093 April 2019: 33,589 May 2019: 35,878 June 2019: 39,154 July 2019: 41,818 August 2019: 42,637 September 2019: 43,757 October 2019: 41,943 Monthly num...
by electricron
09 Dec 2019 11:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

The not-very-ambitious projection was 9,000 daily by the end of year one - at least 4-5 times the number they appear likely to achieve. When seeking FTA funding, FWTA projected back in 2015 the following: https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/docs/TX_Ft_Worth_TEX_Rail_Profile-FINAL.pd...
by electricron
27 Nov 2019 08:31
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 345
Views: 113972

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

I wonder how much of this LED light addition is an ADA-related thing, and how much of it is a I'm-too-distracted-by-my-phone-to-watch-for-the-train thing. I've seen video or pics of inlaid LED strips on sidewalks in other cities (maybe outside the US? Can't remember) that light up red or green so t...
by electricron
15 Nov 2019 08:59
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

Thanks for the data!, mine were more back of a napkin calculations, That being said, it's always great to see input from members who have access to more qualified information Is there any info on the load capacity of Silver Line trains? since they are obviously not going to be SLRV's DART's Silver ...
by electricron
12 Nov 2019 21:18
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

Prior to the Texas OU fiasco I posted the numbers here. Unfortunately that post was lost in the site crash. But the bottom line was that if you dedicated every piece of rolling stock that DART owned at the time to serving that one event, filled every car to theoretical capacity, and ran them throug...
by electricron
07 Nov 2019 01:47
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

Am I really the only one who seems to think an above ground train through Victory Park is a bad idea? I just can't see this working well. I really hope I'm wrong. Maybe there's something I don't understand that hasn't been explained to me yet? The land under Victory Park is fill, made up of small a...
by electricron
20 Oct 2019 23:09
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail
Replies: 409
Views: 155338

Re: DALLAS to HOUSTON High Speed Rail

Glad to see this moving along but still painfull that it will only take you to the perimeter of Houston and not directly downtown. I wonder if there is any chance that there could be a future extension from the perimeter to downtown. I'm sure if it was the other way around, there would many promine...
by electricron
15 Oct 2019 08:46
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

By neglecting the inner city mobility, the transit agencies (TXDoT being the biggest perpetrator) fail to serve both populations, commuters and city dwellers. Overlooking inner city mobility is just as bad for the suburban commuter as it would be to omit suburban neighborhood connecting streets for...
by electricron
14 Oct 2019 23:52
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

Also, DART isn't ever happy with focusing on Dallas. Having NTCOG take over a commuter line would leave DART confused on what its job is. They only know how to chase the suburban office worker. Plus DARTs current trains are commuter trains. They focus primarily on getting suburbanites into Downtown...
by electricron
07 Oct 2019 05:17
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

Come on guys and gals, this thread is suppose to be about Trinity Metro’s TexRail - not DART’s Orange Line.
by electricron
30 Sep 2019 09:25
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: Dallas Trail System
Replies: 65
Views: 32953

Re: Dallas Trail System

Money Questions Pop Up in Dallas’ Bond-Funded Plan to Add a 50-Mile Trail Loop https://assets.dmagstatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Screen-Shot-2019-02-12-at-11.13.34-AM1-677x451.png https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2019/02/money-questions-pop-up-in-dallas-bond-funded-plan-to-add-a-50-mile...
by electricron
30 Sep 2019 02:31
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

So, after the Silver Line is built, what, do you feel, is the next step for DART? This is why I struggle with the Silver Line because it just seems like a short sighted expansion. I get that people live in the suburbs and they all want rail, I'm just not sure how to feasibly provide it to them. Per...
by electricron
20 Aug 2019 12:27
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Southwest Airlines
Replies: 29
Views: 14908

Re: Southwest Airlines

Southwest dropping nonstop flights from Dallas Love Field to OKC, San Francisco and Jacksonville https://www.dallasnews.com/business/southwest-airlines/2019/08/16/southwest-dropping-nonstop-flights-dallas-love-field-okc-san-francisco-jacksonville One or two stop flights are likely between Love Fiel...
by electricron
29 Jul 2019 08:36
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

The same could be said for DART itself... It's fare structure essentially benefits long distance commuters the most, while penalizing the short haul. For example, commuting from cityline to Victory Park would cost the same as commuting from Pearl Arts station to Victory Park. As such, you end up di...
by electricron
28 Jul 2019 11:56
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: DART: Bus system
Replies: 44
Views: 15304

Re: DART: Bus system

Our million-dollar bus doesn't add up. We did the math https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2019/07/22/million-dollar-bus-doesnt-add-math The busses are overpriced and we should have done better... but this article is very poorly researched and written. It goes on to factor 'upkeep' of the...
by electricron
15 Jul 2019 10:53
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

Sorry, double post.
by electricron
15 Jul 2019 10:45
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: TexRail
Replies: 137
Views: 46677

Re: TexRail

It's also a matter of cost of living. Land on the outskirts is cheaper. So long as the city, county and state builds and widens the highway and adds the utility lines, this will continue. Which it will. Other large metropolitan areas in the USA have geological obstacles for outward growth spreads, ...
by electricron
10 Jul 2019 19:55
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

cowboyeagle05 wrote:All I remember about the original route is when the Mayor decreed it needed to go by the City Owned Hotel and everyone pointed out how that was a no go but he insisted.

Thankfully, DART is controlled by its own board of directors and not by the mayor of Dallas.
by electricron
10 Jun 2019 13:15
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART Generated $7 Billion In TOD
Replies: 12
Views: 9701

Re: DART Generated $7 Billion In TOD

The fell crane in East Dallas over the weekend was located just two or three blocks away from DART’s Deep Ellum or St. Paul stations. Whether or not this neighborhood would be redeveloping because of DART could be argumentative, but not the mixed used, transit friendly development being built. It ma...
by electricron
08 Jun 2019 09:09
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 345
Views: 113972

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

I can't be the only person that finds it a bit ridiculous that DART's headquarters downtown, right next to akard station, has a private underground parking garage ( https://maps.app.goo.gl/EtZWogQ5mySt5quv5 ). I get it's likely there due to parking minimums; but not only is the irony palpable, it a...
by electricron
07 Jun 2019 08:26
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

itsjrd1964 wrote:That auto-cottect, it's a killer....

Whether it is auto-correct or auto-cottect, it also slays me too.
by electricron
05 Jun 2019 02:13
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

Redblock wrote:DART has ordered 8 FLIRT Emus from Stadler.
https://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=1402


They will be DMUs, not EMUs.
by electricron
16 May 2019 09:57
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 43
Views: 20354

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

^I do not disagree with you, electricron, not in the least. The trains from downtown Plano to Dallas may always be more local than express, only raising the importance of an additional passenger train route from Frisco built to handle local and express trains. How many times do I have to state that...
by electricron
16 May 2019 01:23
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: US 75-N. Central Expwy.
Replies: 11
Views: 5710

Re: US 75-N. Central Expwy.

I commented just this weekend on how great NCX was looking. Finally, perhaps, we have a landscape that will survive those horrid conditions. Speaking of horrid conditions - I know NorthPark has nothing to do with NCX service roads, but the northbound exit at NorthPark/Park Lane is just disgusting. ...
by electricron
11 May 2019 01:14
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 43
Views: 20354

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

Well, when DART was just beginning to plan this system, I guess they could not have anticipated the need for express trains. It's expensive to fix mistakes, and in the case of CitiPlace and potential Knox-Henderson subway stations, the mistake is likely too expensive to be worth it. Should the Dall...
by electricron
10 May 2019 08:29
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Love Field People Mover
Replies: 43
Views: 20354

Re: Dallas Love Field People Mover

^word I'm wondering why Southwest doesn't pay for a swift, convenient people mover from their Corporate HQ & Train Station to the airport. SW employees would be the primary users, afterall; the company could easily work out $60-100 million people mover across a few budget cycles and gain the go...
by electricron
27 Apr 2019 01:39
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

But possibly more importantly, there's the criminal/homeless element the above-ground stations downtown attract. Spend 30 seconds at West End Station and you'll see what I'm talking about. I'd go as far as to say that's one of the primary reasons the West End died as a major destination in the 90s ...
by electricron
18 Apr 2019 02:22
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 337
Views: 119604

Re: DART D2 Subway

While the streetcars can run over DART's light rail tracks, why would you want to do so?Their floor heights are different, so all the platforms' heights will have to be changed again to allow level boarding. The streetcars have a much slower maximum speed, which could affect train scheduling, as the...
by electricron
13 Apr 2019 00:17
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 325
Views: 117645

Re: Silver Line

They should have saved the SilverLine designation for a train that ran up US75 to that casino just across the Oklahoma border. While DART owns the railroad corridor paralleling US75 as far north as Sherman, why do you think DART will ever build light rail line up that far? Not one city north of Pla...
by electricron
07 Feb 2019 01:33
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 345
Views: 113972

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

The DART light rail system would work great as a commuter system. However, that would require a transition of infrastructure from light rail to heavy rail such as Tex Rail or DCTA A Train. It would also require removing several stations along the lines in order to speed up the train schedule. DART ...

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