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by northsouth
10 Sep 2019 22:36
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: DD: 1401 Elm and Thompson Hotel
Replies: 483
Views: 137854

Re: DD: 1401 Elm and Thompson Hotel

Speaking of FOX4, that incident where that crazy guy drove a truck into their building happened almost a year ago, but the glass walls that were damaged are still boarded up with plywood. You'd think they would've taken care of it by now.
by northsouth
27 Aug 2019 19:42
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

I wasn't suggesting that the north-south route be used as D2, just that it would be a good placement for such a line at some point. The fact that there's such a debate about the necessity of a second line through downtown implies that any additional lines are completely out of the question until/unl...
by northsouth
23 Aug 2019 23:21
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

Would the Orange line run down through Union and Convention Center before heading north to Cityplace? The junction east of Pearl is already busy enough, without needing however many new switches and crossings to be added. My feelings are that if a north-south line happens through downtown, it'd be b...
by northsouth
08 Aug 2019 19:48
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Trinity Railway Express
Replies: 3
Views: 1988

Re: Trinity Railway Express

The TRE seems to be having a lot of train cancellations due to "mechanical issues" recently. That is to say, they're running short on operable locomotives. While driving by their yard last week, I noticed one of the two F59PHIs (the streamlined engines) sitting off on the siding with the l...
by northsouth
06 Aug 2019 22:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DFW rail transit maps
Replies: 4
Views: 752

Re: DFW rail transit maps

Looking Good! The only error I can find is that on the future transit map, you didn't put the 1700 Pacific station in the right spot (...at 1700 Pacific). To be honest, I've been meaning to eventually get around to making a thread like this, although my maps are usually reconstructions of past syste...
by northsouth
23 Jul 2019 19:01
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: Silver Line

https://www.dart.org/ShareRoot/about/expansion/cottonbelt/DARTCottonBeltMeeting22jul19.pdf

Looks like they've scaled down the station designs to something more reasonable than the ones described in the EIS.
by northsouth
24 Jun 2019 22:38
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: Silver Line

1) Is the Orange Line Phase 2 to DFW North station still a thing or did it get permanently cancelled. I know they built the stub out for it, but wasnt' sure if it was still in the plans. Buried in the FEIS for the Silver Line they mentioned that it's cancelled. I went into further detail with a lin...
by northsouth
18 Jun 2019 19:08
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)
Replies: 640
Views: 226103

Re: Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)

Definitely appears that they've stopped building concrete floors, most to all of the falsework is gone. Next up, the steel structure framing to build the top of the building.
by northsouth
20 May 2019 21:53
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple
Replies: 433
Views: 93294

Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Honestly the best location for the wye would've been where the Epic is now, but the planning of D2 hadn't gotten far enough along to begin securing land for a junction (it still hasn't), while the development of the Epic just went on along, so now they're stuck putting to the north. They considered ...
by northsouth
03 Apr 2019 19:06
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)
Replies: 13
Views: 3802

Re: DCTA (Denton Co. Transportation Authority)

DCTA uses Stadler cars, but of a different model (GTW) than TEXRail (FLIRT). It might be an issue of platform height, but more likely it's an issue of loading gauge (width). Loading gauge at platform height can be a major issue with regards to compatibility; it's why, regulatory issues aside, heavy ...
by northsouth
20 Mar 2019 20:15
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 283
Views: 67678

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Well the last time wasn't a full replacement, just a few spots that needed it most. The rest is being replaced this time, and what was replaced in the past is staying. It's why there's that gap in the tracks at West End that makes a racket every time a train runs over it, it's a joint between some o...
by northsouth
12 Mar 2019 20:30
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: DART: Bus system
Replies: 23
Views: 6741

Re: DART: Bus system

D-Link got axed because it couldn't meet minimum ridership numbers. It did alright during conventions and whatnot, but day-to-day it was empty. DART had already straightened and simplified its routing from what it had been, to seem less loopy and more direct, but it wasn't enough. Part if its proble...
by northsouth
22 Feb 2019 22:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

When DART was planning the Orange Line they allowed for a diverging route from the current line between Belt Line and DFW stations to allow half the trains to stop at the North DFW Station. They even built two double track junctions into the Orange Line for construction of this second route. I do n...
by northsouth
21 Feb 2019 22:47
Forum: City Issues/News
Topic: The Plague of Pancake Development
Replies: 13
Views: 3338

Re: The Plague of Pancake Development

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same Relevant article on this issue, complete with photos of local apartments. The one at the top (the only one given an address) is in Uptown/West Village, and I can recognize two as being on Las C...
by northsouth
20 Feb 2019 19:18
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

The line was designed as double-tracked, and that it would be fully double-tracked either from the start or down the road. The argument is that doing it later would be relatively more expensive and difficult than to just do it now for an increased initial cost. This is talked about in the presentati...
by northsouth
09 Jan 2019 23:41
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Houston St & Ross Ave
Replies: 2
Views: 1166

Re: Houston St & Ross Ave

Looking at HistoricAerials, that was the arrangement from about 1968 through 2001. Google Earth shows construction on the current intersection underway in 2001, complete by 2002. The 1989 imagery shows this curve pretty clearly. If you look closely at the most recent imagery (from September 2017, be...
by northsouth
19 Dec 2018 18:46
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)
Replies: 640
Views: 226103

Re: Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)

I’m just curious as to why it is not running below grade all the way through Victory? I would assume part of it is cost but did not know if there were other major factors. TIA for any insight. It's a matter of geometry as much as anything else. The portal ramp down into the tunnel requires a certai...
by northsouth
08 Dec 2018 18:54
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Dallas Mockingbird Station
Replies: 95
Views: 22922

Re: Dallas Mockingbird Station

https://www.dart.org/about/board/boarda ... 1dec18.pdf

Nothing concrete, but there are plans about.
by northsouth
04 Dec 2018 06:29
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 109
Views: 35067

Re: DART: Expansion

So my next question is - if there's no aerial construction, and they preserved land for the at-grade extensions, why the heck does this cost $5 million/station? Even with Cityplace and Mockingbird being somewhat more challenging from a construction ingress perspective, those were built even longer ...
by northsouth
03 Dec 2018 19:40
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 109
Views: 35067

Re: DART: Expansion

The 4 elevated stations on the Red Line were all built to full length to begin with, since extending them after the fact would be much more difficult.
by northsouth
11 Sep 2018 19:23
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

Are they doing cut and cover on Commerce Street? I would think that putting in tunnels in an area full of sky scrapers and an existing tunnel network (pedestrian) would require TBMs anyway. Yes, the section from Metro Center station to the CBD East station will be bored. This includes the stretch u...
by northsouth
04 Sep 2018 20:15
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I assume the Cypress Waters station is still in the mix, right? Did they every confirm that the realignment of the tracks through Cypress Waters will be the final alternative? I know it's a bit of a stretch, but 'technically' that will be a 'Dallas' station and walkable (eventually), even if my pos...
by northsouth
01 Sep 2018 17:28
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Trinity Railway Express
Replies: 3
Views: 1988

Re: Trinity Railway Express

Because otherwise there would be a gap in service between the start of the year and whenever they got it finished because they wouldn't have authorization to operate without PTC fully operational. Plus, this covers any delays that may occur.
by northsouth
22 Aug 2018 21:54
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

I recall reading in one of the D2 documents on the DART site that if the Orange line is rerouted off of the Red line and down the Green line to Lawnview, they would run extra rush hour Red line trains from Parker Road down to Cedars to use the pocket track south of the station. This would serve all ...
by northsouth
02 Aug 2018 19:03
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Midtown Express Project 114 & 183
Replies: 9
Views: 4076

Re: Midtown Express Project 114 & 183

A similar situation has more recently occurred over in Fort Worth with the Chisholm Trail Parkway/I-20/SH183 interchange. According to the thread over on the Fort Worth forum, most of the direct connectors were planned to be built later, so only two pairs have been built, but bases were built for an...
by northsouth
06 Jun 2018 02:16
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map
Replies: 24
Views: 7504

Re: Fantasy DART Streetcar Expansion Map

Ooh, cool. I make a lot of maps like this (as well as long-gone streetcar systems), so of course I have a vision for the Dallas Streetcar network: https://drive.google.com/open?id=18R-rdlOC7m1YugH8hbkXHnsZacOMO8Y8&usp=sharing And as a companion map, one for Fort Worth: https://drive.google.com/o...
by northsouth
24 May 2018 22:28
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's
Replies: 47
Views: 13951

Re: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's

I guess we have a little history going on right now... the excavation/redo of the previous Cesar Chavez northbound lanes is exposing something probably not seen in many decades. There are rails and wood crossties among the dirt and debris--very likely from when the Houston & Texas Central RR oc...
by northsouth
23 May 2018 18:33
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

Why does this rendering show the DART tracks on southbound lane of Good-Latimer when the tracks are currently on the center of the road? I assume it's a mistake because I can't imagine they plan on moving the tracks. Looking at the technical drawings posted on the D2 page on DART's website, the Elm...
by northsouth
15 May 2018 11:26
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Streetcar
Replies: 4
Views: 1964

Dallas Streetcar

Why do the streetcars keep breaking down? It's been a regular occurrence for there to be a rider alert that only one (or sometimes zero) streetcar is in service due to "a mechanical issue." You'd think that with four vehicles they'd never have this issue. I vaguely remember hearing that on...
by northsouth
23 Apr 2018 23:09
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I'd be curious to know what stations were not built on the other DART lines that were included in the applicable EIS, and that were not discussed in such EIS as future or potential stations. To my knowledge, there are 6: -Carpenter Ranch: deferred at the last minute, now planned for construction fo...
by northsouth
09 Apr 2018 23:57
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 283
Views: 67678

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Which transit plan was this a part of? I've seen (actually I saved them off the old forum) maps for the much more complex downtown alignments for the 1983 DART plan, so is this for one of the more pared-down plans after the bond election failed? The buildings included on the maps seem to imply so, b...
by northsouth
31 Mar 2018 11:28
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Presumably via the BNSF line from Irving to Carrollton. Would be quite out of the way though, not to mention having to deal with freight trains. I wonder why Carrollton is so opposed to the site that was proposed as the Cotton Belt yard facility.
by northsouth
12 Mar 2018 13:36
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 109
Views: 35067

Re: DART: Expansion

We have a preliminary schedule for construction/opening of Carpenter Ranch Station
carpenter ranch schedule.png
by northsouth
14 Feb 2018 18:59
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 109
Views: 35067

Re: DART: Expansion

The Cotton Belt Line belongs to Kansas City Southern - KCS.

DART owns the Cotton Belt from Fort Worth to Wylie. They let KCS use the tracks from Wylie to Richardson, at the cost of KCS doing maintenance on it.
by northsouth
11 Feb 2018 23:44
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART: Expansion
Replies: 109
Views: 35067

Re: DART: Expansion

At the rate it's taking TXDOT to get LBJ East figured out, it could be possible to integrate the LBJ line into the rebuild and cut out about 2 miles of tunnel. Of course then you're subject to the whims and delays TXDOT is known for. It happened with the Orange Line segment along SH 114 (why the fir...
by northsouth
26 Dec 2017 16:50
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

I agree that D3 should be a long way off in terms of planning, with bus system improvements, D2, the Cotton Belt, modern streetcar expansion, and Red/Blue line platform extensions ahead of it in priority. But for my two cents, I've planned out a D3 line along Wood, Young, and Canton to serve as a co...
by northsouth
16 Nov 2017 19:18
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 86
Views: 30443

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

PCC from Toronto (Car 4614) Has it a name yet? From an old comment on the MATA Facebook page, " 612 will be named Margaret, after Margaret Crow, for Trammell Crow's gracious funding support in 612's rebuild." Seems likely to me that they'll transfer the name to 4614. So far they have only...
by northsouth
10 Nov 2017 17:01
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 86
Views: 30443

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

I vaguely recall hearing it had some electrical component fail a few months ago, can't remember where or when though. I'm just glad they're back to having enough operable cars to run three in regular service, instead of just two like they did for a while.
by northsouth
06 Nov 2017 14:41
Forum: The Parks, Trails, + Miscellaneous Infrastructure
Topic: Dallas Trail System
Replies: 61
Views: 24012

Re: Dallas Trail System

The Mockingbird Pedestrian Bridge finally opened last week, surprised no one has mentioned it yet.
by northsouth
25 Oct 2017 22:07
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 86
Views: 30443

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

At the bottom of the most recent MATA newsletter ( link here ), there is a short bit about the partial restoration of DR&T 189. The wording is a bit unclear, but I believe they're saying that the front end of the car has been removed, cosmetically restored, and will be placed on display at a hot...
by northsouth
11 Sep 2017 21:06
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: New Oak Cliff Streetcar
Replies: 81
Views: 25688

Re: New Oak Cliff Streetcar

From what I've read about upcoming service changes, almost nobody has been using that bus loop, so it's being discontinued in March. As it stands, Jefferson just has a fundamentally different set of businesses compared to Davis/7th, being geared primarily towards lower income hispanic people instead...
by northsouth
29 Apr 2017 17:07
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Silver Line
Replies: 246
Views: 68829

Re: the Cotton Belt line

So I've noticed that since some time in the last few months, most if not all of the official maps only show the south option at US75/PGBT, so I guess they may have decided on that option without much fanfare.
by northsouth
31 Mar 2017 10:00
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-30 South & East Dallas reconstruction
Replies: 90
Views: 25492

Re: I-30 South & East Dallas reconstruction

Just like I-45. Also, turns out that if US287 ever does get upgraded to an interstate, it would be I-32, potentially extending northwest from Amarillo into New Mexico.
by northsouth
10 Feb 2017 17:56
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

I understand DART wanting to stick to public ROW (streets), but I still think the large, almost empty area between Elm, Pacific, I-345, and Good Latimer is the perfect place to put the east portal. I made a map of this after the last update: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1a2KiLNPcG2SLQ5SY5J9upB1N...
by northsouth
19 Jan 2017 14:36
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: DART D2 Subway
Replies: 293
Views: 72306

Re: DART D2 Subway

Interesting that the subway proponents from Deep Ellum were able to get the Good Latimer connection downgraded to secondary choice vs Swiss Avenue. Although to me, if it's going to take a more northerly route that does away with Deep Ellum Station, they'd be better off putting the portal south of Pa...
by northsouth
07 Dec 2016 14:43
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Uptown Dallas: McKinney, Cole Conversion
Replies: 5
Views: 3397

Re: Uptown Dallas: McKinney, Cole Conversion

Another alternative would be to reverse the direction of the loop on Cole so the streetcars will be running with the traffic, which means they wouldn't need to have dedicated lanes. This would require some track work at the split with tracks crossing one another and the potential of the streetcars ...
by northsouth
05 Nov 2016 09:52
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: MATA: M-Line Trolley
Replies: 86
Views: 30443

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

They've had up to five, maybe six cars operational at once before, but since then they've been taking one or two cars out of service for major maintenance and letting the others fill in, so back to about four operational cars, like it was originally. Of course, this doesn't account for unscheduled m...

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