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by Alex Rodriguez
13 Nov 2017 13:04
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's
Replies: 28
Views: 1328

Re: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's

And by the way you did agree at one point with me about the differences in the scenarios... And by the way, I'm not saying that anyone is trying to pull a fast one. What I'm saying is that for each option to have basically the same traffic impact, per the report: **Modify - you remove some ramps for...
by Alex Rodriguez
13 Nov 2017 13:01
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's
Replies: 28
Views: 1328

Re: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's

TxDOT and HNTB/Kimley-Horn's traffic engineers, for instance, found a limited overall increase in congestion, if you rebuild the entire Dallas freeway system around it, compared to sinking it below grade and doing virtually nothing else, in their preliminary study"



Fixed it for you.
by Alex Rodriguez
13 Nov 2017 12:40
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's
Replies: 28
Views: 1328

Re: Downtown: Cesar Chavez & Pearl re-do's

TxDOT and HNTB/Kimley-Horn's traffic engineers, for instance, found a limited overall increase in congestion compared to sinking it below grade in their preliminary study. This is the statement we went round and round for 2 pages about. I completely disagree with this statement. Its apples to orang...
by Alex Rodriguez
10 Nov 2017 12:32
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 2227

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

Last thing and I'll lay off...also remember that in 2017, Southwest retired 100 or so jets with 122 and 137 seats, a large percentage of those 733s and 735s were flying routes out of DAL. Now there is nothing but 143 and 175 seat jets flying out of Love, and the 175 seat fleet is the only type that ...
by Alex Rodriguez
10 Nov 2017 12:12
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 2227

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

A somewhat similar example to Love Field would be Chicago Midway (coincidentally another fortress hub for SWA). Very dense area using less surface area with only Cicero Ave being the main way in and out of the airport. Hell it's so tightly packed the TSA checkpoint is on a bridge over the 6 lane ro...
by Alex Rodriguez
10 Nov 2017 12:04
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 2227

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

The whole eastern edge of the airport, flanking Lemmon Ave needs a complete redo. Access the terminal via underground moving sidewalk from the Flight Museum and from whatever that renovation project Lemmon@Lovers... This is where parking, office, hotel, restaurants and much of the aerotropolis stuf...
by Alex Rodriguez
10 Nov 2017 11:38
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 2227

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

The airport used to have over 70 gates. It property certainly handle more than 20. Sure it had 70 gates, but number of passengers in and out of the airport was nowhere near what it is today " 1973 saw Love Field, which had more than 70 gates and saw frequent Boeing 747 service, reach record en...
by Alex Rodriguez
09 Nov 2017 15:20
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Dallas Love Field Airport
Replies: 23
Views: 2227

Re: Dallas Love Field Airport

1. Virgin was acquired by Alaska, and Alaska and has already begun the process of converting the schedule over to Alaska jets and destinations. The two airlines will be under one operating certificate in a few months and Virgin will cease to exist shortly thereafter. 2. I think the City is actively ...
by Alex Rodriguez
08 Nov 2017 13:19
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Literally no one thinks that should should tear down I-345 without studying its impact on the rest of the transportation system. This is false. There are a ton of people advocating this. Maybe not your group, but the old 50 page thread I'd say nearly half of them advocated "lets close the road...
by Alex Rodriguez
08 Nov 2017 11:12
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2017/11/dallas-council-345-vote-delayed-txdot-citymap/ "The Dallas City Council will not vote as planned today on whether to study the economic impact of tearing out I-345, the 1.4-mile elevated highway that separates downtown from Deep Ellum. Assistant Cit...
by Alex Rodriguez
26 Oct 2017 22:26
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: Dallas Area Rapid Transit
Replies: 93
Views: 5461

Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Ouch. Having ridden the Green Line every day for 6 years, cant say I disagree that this is a problem because it is. Vagrants on the train, West End station is shall we say "salty." So many opportunities to improve operations but as Ive said for years, DART sucks at running a business... ht...
by Alex Rodriguez
23 Oct 2017 10:38
Forum: Urban Development
Topic: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?
Replies: 452
Views: 18264

Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Not sure how UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, UH, Rice, OU, OSU, Ark all being within 5 hour drive, and DFW being both a huge feeder and huge alumni base for those universities doesn't count for something. The Entirety of the Southwest Conference, basically a Power Five Conference, was within a 5 hour dri...
by Alex Rodriguez
23 Oct 2017 08:36
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345 Teardown

Against (For Trench/Tunnel)
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 16:29
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

tanzoak wrote:I'm a transportation engineer.


Well I'm not a transportation engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 15:35
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

And don't get me wrong, I've spent the better part of 2 full days reading CityMap, it is super interesting stuff. Just don't think it gets you across the finish line to make a tear-down/trench decision. I'm a road geek obviously, so giving me 450 pages of road geekiness is 100% great with me.
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 15:29
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

If you want some good arguments against this study, I'll give them to you: 1. "The I-30 and Lowest Stemmons projects are way more important to a well-functioning system in a tear-down world than a below-grade one. Furthermore, I don't think those two projects are likely to be built, which mean...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 15:27
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

I get that you're trying to be conciliatory, but the "good, honest, hard number for each of the components" line implies that what they've provided is crappy, dishonest, squishy, and does not isolate individual projects. No I'm not implying dishonest. I'm implying unclear, confusing, not ...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 13:32
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Sorry for being Snarky back. I think we've played out the CityMap analysis. The city and TxDot are already moving forward with an I-345 specific study, will be interesting to see which way it goes. All to summarize my opinion, Citymap facts and figures (or lack thereof, wherever you land) nonwithsta...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 13:09
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Yes, the "scenario" includes i-30 rebuild, us-175 (southern gateway), and lowest stemmons. As does the scenario for below-grade. No it doesn't. Sorry man, but CityMap isn't gospel anyway, so quit citing it as if Jesus himself came down from on high to give us the 10 Citymaps and its all g...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 13:01
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

"If we do a bad job with the project, what will the congestion be?" is not a good question. "What if we did the below-grade alternative, but didn't actually connect it to anything? What is the congestion number?" lol Both my options say to reconnect the arterials above. Below gr...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 12:56
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

... they basically do all of this? Except they include 2.1, 2.2, 2.5, and 2.6 as part of tear-down. 2.1, 2.2, and 2.6 are inherent to the tear-down project. I think you could separate 2.5, sure, though just note that that would reduce the cost estimate of the project itself. No they don't. Page 191...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 12:43
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Tear Down Option - Jersey ramp I-45 North to funnel to I-30 offramps. Jersey ramp US75 to funnel to SH366. Jersey Ramp US366 to funnel to US75. Safely tear down I-345. Reconnect necessary arterial roads in former footprint of I-345 This is all you have to actually do to tear down I-345. What is the...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 12:36
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

This would be ARODMAP - Options for I-345 . This is how it should break down. 1. Option 1 - Tear Down - Jersey ramp I-45 North to funnel to I-30 offramps. Jersey ramp US75 to funnel to SH366. Jersey Ramp US366 to funnel to US75. Safely tear down I-345. Reconnect necessary arterial roads in former fo...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 12:13
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

tamtagon wrote:I am enjoying this discussion, thought not reading as thoroughly as I would like. Thanks for the microscopic attention you guys are giving!


LOL! We are getting pretty daggone Microscopic!!!
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 12:06
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

You asked if CityMAP included that portion of Woodall Rogers in its study area.. it does. I wasn't saying it is part of I-30 tear-down. Buuuut, traffic impacts on that portion of WR are included in the congestion figures. That's how study areas and traffic studies work. They may not have gone into ...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 11:09
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Lol yes, obviously the lists of things you do in each project are different because you have to do different things to trench a highway than you do to replace it with a boulevard. Look, this CityMap study is cool, its very interesting. But its not the Bible. You don't HAVE to do Project Pegasus to ...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 10:59
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

And CityMap DOES NOT address that portion of Woodall, only the Northeast part of it where it joins 345/75. If you disagree, PLEASE CITE PAGE NUMBER FOR EVIDENCE. Page 41 details the entire study area. And you know there's a whole chapter on the area where Woodall meets I-35, right? Pages 142-159. A...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 08:39
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 70
Views: 3668

Re: the Cotton Belt line

If you don't build Cotton Belt, aside from the fact that you likely lose Addison and maybe Plano and DART falls apart after that, you likely don't see any additional rail be built in our lifetimes. Without Cotton Belt you have a 100% chance that rail is never built on Madill corridor. You have 100% ...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 07:56
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Once you get on Woodall Rogers, you will have to make a left turn at Stemmons using the single lane loop by turning right. Then you would have to merge who knows how many lanes to avoid turning west on I-30 and turning south on I-35, then make the exit for the old US -75 exit at Cesar Chavez. Inste...
by Alex Rodriguez
20 Oct 2017 07:49
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

What I think you're arguing (and correct me if this isn't what you're arguing) is that the cost estimate for tear-down should actually be higher b/c it should include an I-30 rebuild.* Ok. So, adding that extra $600 mil to tear-down gets us at a cost estimate ~$100-200 million higher than below-gra...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 16:12
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

The whole impetus for this discussion was your post way back when and supposition that tearing down I-345 has little to no impact on traffic numbers. You posted Hours of delay in 2040: Tear Down - 163.8k Lower - 163.1k Replace - 161.3k I said post the link where you get this. You did. I read it. Pag...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 15:20
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

I just found this, I-30 Project Pegasus estimate was $600 million dollars in 2015. It's the Canyon from I-30 to I-45. Again, $600 Million just to do the I-30 rebuild prerequisite for the Tear Down Scenario as described on page 191 of your report. $600 million estimate 2 years ago, by the time its ac...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 13:16
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

I would rather they do a full tunnel anyway. Trench is okay but full tunnel like Big Dig or Alaska Way in Seattle is how I would prefer they do it. But due to cost, likely will end up being a trench. As long as they don't do something dumb like build frontage roads, with a Trench you can reclaim a b...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 11:27
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Look #1, a new study is already underway, so most of the conversation is moot. #2 this CityMap report is 430 pages, and covers 10+ different projects and then various scenarios for several of those 10+ projects. That graphic you keep posting is talking about I-30 East, I-30 Project Pegasus, I-345, I...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 09:57
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

As for I-30, the tear-down scenario just involves improvements to the frontage roads and rebuilt exit ramps. Trenching is the much larger and more complicated project with respect to I-30, as you have to build a highway underneath it and a whole new grade-switching highway interchange. Yes, a total...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 07:44
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

And kidding aside, thanks for bringing that study to the discussion. Good to see what the different options look like. This study only reinforces my original point, which is you don't just simply tear down I-345 and be done. Someone earlier in this thread said "Based on the numbers from above. ...
by Alex Rodriguez
19 Oct 2017 07:37
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Let me fix this for you :P The models for this project predict that overall congestion won't increase that much, if at the same time you tear down I-345 you also rebuild every major freeway and street in the greater Downtown Dallas area , though a significant portion of that congestion will be trans...
by Alex Rodriguez
18 Oct 2017 14:53
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

But that still leaves the Tear Down Scenario as requiring I-30 Project Pegasus, teardown of I-45 north of MLK to 30, rebuild and reconfiguration of Woodall Rogers and 75, and a bunch of work and interchanges for both Good Latimer and Cesar Chavez. None of that are required for the other two options...
by Alex Rodriguez
18 Oct 2017 12:48
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

And by the way, I'm not saying that anyone is trying to pull a fast one. What I'm saying is that for each option to have basically the same traffic impact, per the report: **Modify - you remove some ramps for CBD access **Below Grade - Trench I-345, partial rebuild of I45 and 366/75 interchanges. Ma...
by Alex Rodriguez
18 Oct 2017 12:35
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

*System for each scenario assumes the following projects or operational improvements are constructed: Southern Gateway, Lowest Stemmons, and Trinity Parkway 4 Lane 45MPH concept. I can assure that that TxDOT/HNTB are not total idiots with no idea how to do their jobs. And can also assure you that i...
by Alex Rodriguez
18 Oct 2017 11:50
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

I reviewed the document http://www.dallascitymap.com/DallasCityMAP_09272016_compressed.pdf, and the Remove Scenario numbers come out even with the other 2 scenarios after you rebuild the entire Downtown Dallas Freeway system. That is more of a pipe dream than burying I-345. Why? See Page 191 and 19...
by Alex Rodriguez
18 Oct 2017 08:06
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

I reviewed the document http://www.dallascitymap.com/DallasCityMAP_09272016_compressed.pdf, and the Remove Scenario numbers come out even with the other 2 scenarios after you rebuild the entire Downtown Dallas Freeway system. That is more of a pipe dream than burying I-345. Why? See Page 191 and 193...
by Alex Rodriguez
17 Oct 2017 20:24
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

The problem with tunneling I-345 is that I-30 is already 25 feet below grade. So to tunnel under I-30 will require tunneling I-345 50 feet below grade. Presently, at I-30, I-345 (or US-75) is 100 feet above I-30 or 75 feet above grade. So you will have to change it’s elevation by 125 feet. What abo...
by Alex Rodriguez
17 Oct 2017 20:01
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

Tanzoak, thanks for the info and thoughtful response. Like JeremySmith says, I think a toll is a real option to pay for it. 635 and 35 both have a toll component now, no reason why a tunnel or below grade 345 couldnt have some type of toll component.
by Alex Rodriguez
17 Oct 2017 16:12
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

If you can post the URL for that study, I'd like to see it. I think the name "Link" is technically accurate, but in practice not at all what I-345 is. It is a 2 mile section of one freeway named I45/US75. You are tearing down the middle of a freeway, period. I don't understand the resistan...
by Alex Rodriguez
17 Oct 2017 14:45
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

Re: I-345

The Big Dig was a much more complicated project than what this would be. Not only did they have to bury all of the freeway in the North End but they built a tunnel underwater, under the Boston Main Channel, to Logan Airport. Much more linear mileage, and obviously tunnelling under basically the ocea...
by Alex Rodriguez
17 Oct 2017 14:28
Forum: The Bus + Roads/Highways/Bridges
Topic: I-345
Replies: 104
Views: 1580

I-345

This thread on the old site prolly had 50+ pages, shocked there isn't already one on here. Anyway, city voted to begin a study to either bury, or remove I-345. https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/10/17/dallas-might-ready-bury-downtown-highway-time I've been in the bury camp since the ...
by Alex Rodriguez
11 Oct 2017 22:58
Forum: The Airports
Topic: Southwest Airlines
Replies: 14
Views: 645

Re: Southwest Airlines

Well it was a few weeks late but its official: Southwest to begin service to Hawaii http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/10/1 ... n-the-way/
by Alex Rodriguez
11 Oct 2017 08:43
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 70
Views: 3668

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Addison has barely paid anything for DART and they've gotten bus service. Plano gets next to nothing out of the Cotton Belt - they get 2 stations that are in close proximity to their other existing stations, which does nothing for the rest of the entire city. The only thing they really get out of i...
by Alex Rodriguez
10 Oct 2017 12:28
Forum: Rail + Guided Transit
Topic: the Cotton Belt line
Replies: 70
Views: 3668

Re: the Cotton Belt line

Electricron lays it out from a technical standpoint, and I agree they both need to be done. The political component in the Cotton Belt is there is a way better than zero chance that Addison bails from DART if it gets the shaft on the Cotton Belt. It's been promised one measly rail stop for 30 years ...

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